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Discussion: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 9 2008, 9:15 PM EDT The directing and editing of scenes and 'last minute saves ' by both characters are stunning. However, it's a story, that in real life would burden and confuse so many people (family and loved ones) that an irradicable mark would stain them both. It is in poor taste, as was (much removed scenario) Jerry Lee Louis and teen wife. THE HEART MAY WANT WHAT IT WANTS==== but that same heart is exceedingly vulnerable to internal bio-diseases. Don't court the 'jester' --ie the story line. this is a NO WIN, NO VALUE coupling. (See movies or read, "THE OTHER BOLIN SISTER" history, "Hamlet", "Herod and Solomae" Dance of the seven veils. On the other hand, you may want ratings using taboo subjects. That will be on the heads of the executive crew, writers, and editors. Then you will lose just ONE faithful fan: me. The Torah and the Bible both say, "do not covet thy brothers/neighbors--wife, and property; blood or slave." Pesonally, i will know if you are running out of new scripting material with H and Yelinda this is a disreputable pairing==eeking to look like it might work. love, maureen maureenwheat@aol.com 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vickimoon |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 9 2008, 10:56 PM EDT i think they would make a great couple Do you find this valuable? |
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tanya-dell |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 10 2008, 7:28 AM EDT alot of times in the bible when a man died the brother took his wife into his own.......there would be nothing wrong with it.."do not covet thy brothers/neighbors--wife"...means while they are living not to want an affair with them but death absolves us of that it makes her a free women to marry anyone but I don't see the writers ever putting them together Do you find this valuable? |
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sunshine68 |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 10 2008, 8:59 AM EDT there are several cultures who believe as TD states - H and Y never crossed the line during her marriage to Ray. There is absolutely nothing wrong with H and Y getting together. Chemistry is there and nothing wrong with them - neither are blood, both could provide a sound family setting for both their respective children, and there is no confusion to be had. In fact, I could see Ray Junior enjoying having an older brother in Kyle. Neither coveted each other during respective marriages/relationships - there is an unsung love that needs to surface now that both are without partners. Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 10 2008, 9:59 PM EDT I appreciate the responses. However, the NCIS is about forensics, and not the diversional 'personal lives' of the characters. In real life, I could see H and Yelinda getting together-- and I would cheer them. However, this is a TV scripted show, and blending leading characters' personal lives---in not in the best interst of the show. YES....I KNOW I AM THE CONSUMATE-- B==== i had to work very hard to seperate emotion from direct fact. But there is no reason to have so intense a learning experience as Miami CIS, be weakened by work-place romance. IT WON'T SELL. I love H and Y= and the rest of the cast. The writer stability is due for a lot of compliments. I back down to you all---should you disagree. I just know that mixing themes is a dangerous avenue for writers. Much love, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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csidelko |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of inter
Jul 10 2008, 10:08 PM EDT Agree to NO to H&Yelina romance. I don't want H to ended up with his brother's wife, though chemistry is undeaniable. Much better H having a great girl not in the same line (CSI). Better in different field so they can play more the character of H and his family. last 2 cents of a newbie...:-) Do you find this valuable? |
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sunshine68 |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 9:41 AM EDT Maureen, H and Y no longer work together - there's no office romance to contend with. So, I would also assume you will not be in favor of a Delko/Duquesne romance either? I'm not picking on you - just asking your opinion. It's very interesting to me to see how some people look at the characters and despite the strong differences of opinion - I am intrigued by the responses. I might continue to stake my claim that H and Y are soul mates, but I am curious as to why others feel differently. It's been a fun part of the series seeing the tension between H and Y and the underlying puppy love they obviously feel for each other and the citing of 'issues' like making mountains out of mole hills because both are in some way afraid to take that first step. I just want to see my fave redhead cop happy for once in his life. He's dealt with enough crap at this point. It seems they may start a healing process through Kyle - as I understand the young actor has been signed on for several more episodes. Why not give him a stable family environment with a mom figure like Yelina? She's a great lady with LOTS to offer Horatio. Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 7:50 PM EDT They would make an awesome couple, but for desparate housewives--not CSI. I truly understand the chemistry in this duo. I see and feel it myself. But when I start "feeling" it, I go into likelihood of success in the future. I sincerely don't see it as contributory to the high quality of writing for CSI Miami. Would they make an attractive couple? Yes--an awesome couple.But in terms of the elevated content of the show, it would be diminishing--in my opinion. I deferred to you. I agree in emotion--but see the unworkability in terms of the story line maintaining it's outstanding sensitivity to viewers expectations. I have a (juvenile...) emotional stake in the the CSI writers' abilities to portray reality and not romance--(romanace means "far-off" and "escapist" I remain defferent to your position. I am grateful for your response, and conviction. best regards, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:03 PM EDT Hi, and of course you are correct re the Bible and the Torah basically authorizing the decedent's widow to be taken by the decent's brother. In the times these lineages were promoted, women were property, and to marry a brother's spouse would be a tribute or honor to the brother. It meant the decedent's wife (now widow)ould honorably be taken in by the family in honor of the brother. Throughout history there has never been any standing tradition re the marriage of a sibling to the spouse of a decedent. So you are very right. My position is purely speculative. I respect and honor your opinion. BTW, i am Catholic, so I really do respect your read on the Bible and Torah. There would be no law broken. very best regards. maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:21 PM EDT Your post is ever so correct. The issue to me---and i have auto=defer to your position is not legalistic. It only leans toward contemporary American society, the number of social inferences and the number of relationships that are formed in "wish thinking", . but result in devastation of the greater family. Theoretically, H & Y could couple. What would that do to the show? The chemistry will have been fulfilled. H&Y would need to have some marital issue, or some foundational, and lately discovered problem to keep the story line going. The DRAMA would be shifted from high quality, educational, and spectacular forensics and the personal impact each case brings to the viewer through the character---to a schism of character oriented science, and the new "nookie show" about couples in the 70ies-- i think it's swingers/ --but it could be some other name. i don't watch, so i really don't know. CSI has a reputation. So please don't take this as a criticism of your viewing interpretations. i totally defer to your position, and am most grateful that you posted so well. best regards, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of inter
Jul 11 2008, 8:28 PM EDT "Agree to NO to H&Yelina romance. I don't want H to ended up with his brother's wife, though chemistry is undeaniable. Much better H having a great girl not in the same line (CSI). Better in different field so they can play more the character of H and his family.HOLY SMOKES== can i just e= you my opinion and you post it more succinctly than i have ever been able? I always feel that dissenting is the black hole of communication on the i-net. one never knows the sensitivity or perspective of the recipient communicant. Your idea of H&Y drawing close as possible, and then changing direction of relationships would keep the question of chemistry alive. Chemistry ==very compelling. But would also open avenues for H to look further for a commited relationship. For example---what if he met and fell for the -------oh....i won't post that----it would be a merger of foundational story line=== and heat up the personal relationship for H. Y will always do well. Thanks so very much for the post. best regards maureen. Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:31 PM EDT "i think they would make a great couple"i apologize for not keying in the correct association, linking my response to you specifically. Hope cyberspace will adequately prevail! best regards. maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:50 PM EDT "i think they would make a great couple"I hit the incorrect respnse post==but i responded to your message. you may even see this apology twice, out of respect for you as a respondant. best regards, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:54 PM EDT "alot of times in the Bible/ Torah when a man died the brother took his wife into his own.......there would be nothing wrong with it.."do not covet thy brothers/neighbors--wife"...means while they are living not to want an affair with them but death absolves us of that it makes her a free women to marry anyoneI apologize that i hit the incorrect prompt linking your post and my response. Your response was speaking to the Legality *Judeo=Christian* of the coupling--which is totally Legal. My response to you had to do with potentiality for a CSI story line--But i whole heartedly agree with your position. Your response was entirely accurate, and thank you. best regards. maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 8:57 PM EDT "there are several cultures who believe as TD states - H and Y never crossed the line during her marriage to Ray. There is absolutely nothing wrong with H and Y getting together. Chemistry is there and nothing wrong with them - neither are blood, both could provide a sound family setting for both their respective children, and there is no confusion to be had. In fact, I could see Ray Junior enjoying having an older brother in Kyle. Neither coveted each other during respective marriages/relationships - there is an unsung love that needs to surface now that both are without partners."Sincere apologies for not selecting the correct prompt to link my response directly to your post. I feel terrible, and want you to know i posted with your input only and seperately included. best regards. maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 11 2008, 9:20 PM EDT "Maureen, H and Y no longer work together - there's no office romance to contend with. So, I would also assume you will not be in favor of a Delko/Duquesne romance either? I'm not picking on you - just asking your opinion. It's very interesting to me to see how some people look at the characters and despite the strong differences of opinion - I am intrigued by the responses. I might continue to stake my claim that H and Y are soul mates, but I am curious as to why others feel differently. It's been a fun part of the series seeing the tension between H and Y and the underlying puppy love they obviously feel for each other and the citing of 'issues' like making mountains out of mole hills because both are in some way afraid to take that first step. I just want to see my fave redhead cop happy for once in his life. He's dealt with enough crap at this point. It seems they may start a healing process through Kyle - as I understand the young actor has been signed on for several more episodes. Why not give him a stable family environment with a mom figure like Yelina? She's a great lady with LOTS to offer Horatio."I really liked your post. And even moreso appreciate your full expression. Here is my position: the relationship between H&Y is a fictional one. The forensic science and the passion of those who serve--the CSI actors----is actualized in reality, by real people. . H&Y coupling would dilute this. I read all the responses and saved your's for last. A couple of season's ago, a decedent had been dead for several days. Dr. Khandi was about to autopsy him. There was another CSI standing at the autopsy table, and when the doctor made her first incision, all the bacterial degradation since the man was killed let off an uinspeakable smell. The (not Dr. Khandi) character did not respond. The other CSI laughed while he gagged, insensed by the horrible odor. I TOOK THIS PERSONALLY because i found my own husband dead three days after he died. He was bloated and black with blood rot, to the point i could not recognize him. my response was to keep looking around the area to be sure i was in the right house. ok...so relived the entire event when i saw this on CSI Miami. I was quite upset, not with the circumstance--but the uncare-filled, vagarant response of the "not very professional" response. I wrote to the official website and told them they had no right to display that level of carelessness in a show intended to teach and educate, while still informing. I was so sick in reliving my own experience, that i said they should make a story line out of "black market Nazi underground sales of Holocost skin --that in fact was used to make lamps, couch covers.==and please i won't go on. Forgive me, but your post was very encouraging and solicitious. I am very careful about what I watch, because i make it personal===yes==maybe this is wrong. but i believe that i learn so very much by good writing, sincerely believeable acting and the emotional value of the program. most grateful for your post---love, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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sunshine68 |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 12 2008, 9:08 AM EDT Maureen, the other thing I think that could seriously be capitalized on with a romance between H and Y is a promoting of good family values. Never once did either of these characters engage in promiscuous behavior - they entered what would hopefully be long term or permanent relationships ending for serious reasons - death, abuse, etc. They never fooled around with other partners when in a relationship. What I hope through a melding of H and Y with their respective children is a demonstration of something seriously lacking in our society - a firm family unit. It's fictional characters, sure, but a real issue that can be tackled and made example of. There is ultimate respect between these characters and an everlasting bonding that can be a part of the show without being overdone - if the writers are careful in how they write it. It would not be a Desperate Housewives thing at all. These are not two people who would become bed buddies for the sake of screwing around. They genuinely love each other and have been there for each other through thick and thin. There is a man who will give of his heart and think nothing of having to get something in return - quite unlike the selfish behaviors we see every day. These are things I take very personally - seeing the complete degradation of society to a bunch of spoiled brats who throw temper tantrums or adults that run off to new relationships/mistresses/men when things go sour - nobody knows about sacrifice or hard work to keep things going - H and Y do and can demonstrate that perfectly. If that isn't reason enough, then I am living on a different planet. Maureen, I totally love your heartfelt posts. I look at real life and wish CSI Miami were real - the portrayed work environment is friendly with camaraderie, the people look out for each other, and the love does not have to be based on sex but real feelings/caring - the basis is there... Do you find this valuable? |
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vickimoon |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 12 2008, 9:38 AM EDT hey sunshine i would have to agree with u Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 14 2008, 10:21 AM EDT "Maureen, the other thing I think that could seriously be capitalized on with a romance between H and Y is a promoting of good family values. Never once did either of these characters engage in promiscuous behavior - they entered what would hopefully be long term or permanent relationships ending for serious reasons - death, abuse, etc. They never fooled around with other partners when in a relationship. What I hope through a melding of H and Y with their respective children is a demonstration of something seriously lacking in our society - a firm family unit. It's fictional characters, sure, but a real issue that can be tackled and made example of. There is ultimate respect between these characters and an everlasting bonding that can be a part of the show without being overdone - if the writers are careful in how they write it. It would not be a Desperate Housewives thing at all. These are not two people who would become bed buddies for the sake of screwing around. They genuinely love each other and have been there for each other through thick and thin. There is a man who will give of his heart and think nothing of having to get something in return - quite unlike the selfish behaviors we see every day. These are things I take very personally - seeing the complete degradation of society to a bunch of spoiled brats who throw temper tantrums or adults that run off to new relationships/mistresses/men when things go sour - nobody knows about sacrifice or hard work to keep things going - H and Y do and can demonstrate that perfectly. If that isn't reason enough, then I am living on a different planet. Maureen, I totally love your heartfelt posts. I look at real life and wish CSI Miami were real - the portrayed work environment is friendly with camaraderie, the people look out for each other, and the love does not have to be based on sex but real feelings/caring - the basis is there..."Hi Sunshine, and I couldn't agree more with your social and moral values orientation. Everything in your post is accurate and wording, articulate. In terms of your position, it just seems to be a balancing act that may affect the directness of the story line. If I'm not mistaken, no wrong has ever been cited in the coupling of H&Y. My curiosity extends only to the raw story line--not the compatibility of H&Y. Unconsumated chemistry is more supportive of the foundational story line of what CSI's do. There is enough tension to make the relationship intersting--but remain a danger of derailing the main focus of well-teamed forensics. Sunshine, your orientation to cleaning up the value/morally depleted storylines all over televison a masterful observation. I also would like to see less sex for thrills in story lines. Personally I find sex on tv to be gratitious and excessive--which is inline with your statement of family values. With H&Y, the other message could be: chemistry driven impulses are not always in the best interests of the involved parties-(-or the storyline.) Sexualizing the (H&Y) story line would jeopardiaze the clarity of CSI's entertaiment and educaitonal value. A comparison that is the same in nature, but completely unrelated is the sexualizing of Miley Cyrus from Hannah Montanna buy her threshhold incestuous photos in the news recently. I used to think Hannah Montanna's character was solid. And Miley Cyrus was an up and coming crossover musician. I no longer have any interst in her as a musician, actress or child role model. Sunshine, your post was excellent ie Family/Moral values. I would hate to see H&Y become cliche' , when the entire writing of CSI is pregnant with more interesting, yet underdeveloped scenarios. I can think of at least 10 alternatives to would support the need for CSI chem without spoiling it's foundation. Sunshine--you're the best! maureen Do you find this valuable? |
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maureenwheat maureenwheat |
RE: NO to H and Yelina--chemistry there, but serious conflict of interest
Jul 14 2008, 10:31 AM EDT "Maureen, the other thing I think that could seriously be capitalized on with a romance between H and Y is a promoting of good family values. Never once did either of these characters engage in promiscuous behavior - they entered what would hopefully be long term or permanent relationships ending for serious reasons - death, abuse, etc. They never fooled around with other partners when in a relationship. What I hope through a melding of H and Y with their respective children is a demonstration of something seriously lacking in our society - a firm family unit. It's fictional characters, sure, but a real issue that can be tackled and made example of. There is ultimate respect between these characters and an everlasting bonding that can be a part of the show without being overdone - if the writers are careful in how they write it. It would not be a Desperate Housewives thing at all. These are not two people who would become bed buddies for the sake of screwing around. They genuinely love each other and have been there for each other through thick and thin. There is a man who will give of his heart and think nothing of having to get something in return - quite unlike the selfish behaviors we see every day. These are things I take very personally - seeing the complete degradation of society to a bunch of spoiled brats who throw temper tantrums or adults that run off to new relationships/mistresses/men when things go sour - nobody knows about sacrifice or hard work to keep things going - H and Y do and can demonstrate that perfectly. If that isn't reason enough, then I am living on a different planet. Maureen, I totally love your heartfelt posts. I look at real life and wish CSI Miami were real - the portrayed work environment is friendly with camaraderie, the people look out for each other, and the love does not have to be based on sex but real feelings/caring - the basis is there..."Sunshine--this is an after thought---what about retaining the chemistry of H and introducing the onset of a new woman of interest, like Dr. Alex. Just my opinion, but that has a lot of mileage. Best regards Sunshin, maureen Do you find this valuable? |
